Young@ChosenFew Part 2 | MOMAMI, AMG, KAHARI - GenZ on the Future of House Music

Introduction to House Music

0:00These guys are all big influences on me and certainly house music.

0:30So let's go on that. I want to talk a little bit about each of your illustrious careers because you guys have done a lot. You've done a lot. All three of you have done amazing, you know, have had amazing contributions to what we call house music.

Vintage House Show

0:46You know, this is the vintage house show. And so part of what that is about is celebration and preservation. This is Lawrence Braydening with the celebration and preservation of Chicago house legends and Chicago house music. Hello, vintage house show family. Thank you for tuning in. This is DJ Mo Mami reporting for the spotlight series. If you're listening on the radio, you are listening to WNUR 89.3 FM HD1 Evanston, Chicago.

Chosen Few Picnic

1:30And today we are talking about and excited to be discussing the chosen few picnic happening this Saturday. It is, I think the house music event of the summer. And so I'm excited to be talking with DJ AMG, who is not only an alumni of the show, but their debut on the chosen few stage this Saturday. AMG, I was hyped when I saw your name on that flyer. So I was hyped. I can't imagine how you felt seeing us. Talk to me, share with us, share with the class. What is it like to get that invitation?

2:10Yeah. I mean, honestly, I'm still on cloud nine. I still, like I told myself when I got the call, I'm going to just wait till the flyer drop because I still don't even know if it's real yet. And then the flyer drop, I'm like, oh my gosh, it's real. But it's honestly been such a cool journey. So a few months back, actually probably a month or so back, I did this event called House on the Riverwalk. Um, and there's a DJ by the name of Maurice Jefferson who headlines and spearheads the whole event. Um, and that day I was actually on the same lineup as Wayne Williams and Mike Dunn.

2:41So, I mean, I opened, I just did my set, thankful for the opportunity, thought nothing of it. Um, and then a few days later, Maurice like texted me and was like, hey, um, I heard of some opportunity, you know, there's a chosen few after party for the next generation. And I gave your name, you know, over, so you might get a call soon. So I ended up just waiting it out. And then I got a call from Wayne Williams and he asked if I could do a show or a set at the after party. So that was already enough for me. I was just like, wow, because for those who don't know, especially if you didn't watch the first interview, I'm only a year and a half into DJing.

3:13So I recognize that I'm like rather new. And so to be getting calls from like legends and just to be a part of these huge projects within the house music industry, it's like, it's just already mind blowing. So that was enough for me. I was just chilling. I'm like, cool. I'm doing that. I see, you know, Terry Hunter's son, uh, DJ Ty is on the lineup. Alan King's daughter. So I'm like, wow, I'm even in the room with them. Like that's just a blessing within itself. Let some days go by. And then Wayne Williams texted me and said, call me.

And when you get those two words from that name, you pick up the phone immediately. Um, and so I did. And, you know, I was telling him how excited I was to be at the picnic because, you know, myself and I have a younger sister. Her name is Amari. I'm 28. She's almost 25. Um, and you know, years back, we just used to be the two kids with the adults at the chosen few picnic year.

AMG's Background

4:00So, you know, I'm just really looking forward to my family's always there, et cetera. And, you know, he was like, oh, you're looking forward to it this year. You're going to look forward to it even more because I want to offer you like a set, a chosen few. And I'm just like, what is even happening? What is life?

Um, but nonetheless, I'm so humbled, super grateful for the opportunity because I just feel like it's the epitome of like why I even wanted to start DJing, like having that exposure to hearing, you know, original house records, original funk and disco records and it being so like touching to me as a child, like, and then becoming an adult and actually being involved in it in such a more impactful way. It's just like, it's amazing. So I'm really looking forward to it. I've been practicing my set. I'm not coming to play any games. We're going to have a funky old time.

Um, and I just really hope that people enjoy it. And I know my family and friends will, I mean, they support me like through and through. So I'm expecting them to come deep. Um,

5:00um, the, um, the, I love DJ AMG shirts. So one of my best friends surprised me at my first ever gig with the shirt. And then it just like mass spread across all my family and friends. So on Saturday, you'll see people deep with the shirt. I know the shirt you're talking about too. Bring an extra one because I am right. Yeah. My sister at 10 AM 10 to 11. And I wanted you to know, I mean, for those who haven't been before gates open at 8 AM and there are people in line as of seven 30. So the party don't think because it's 8 AM, it's going to be chill. No, people get up early. This is, I'm telling you, it's the event of the year.

5:40And so I think it's a beautiful full circle moment that this is something you grew up going to just out of sheer love and support and love for the house.

House Music Inspiration

5:49And so, you know, I'm curious to hear when you first started DJing, you could have picked any genre, right? You could have done hip hop. You could have done Afro beats, but you found your home in house music. What is it that motivates you to show up and continue, continuing the message of house music, especially as sort of the next Gen Z generation of DJs? Yeah, that's such a good question. You know, for me, when I think about the music that I loved as a kid, I mean, I love all genres. Like my mom's still playing the R&B, like, you know, we would even get some Sergio Mendes. So I was a little bit Brazilian here and there.

6:24Yeah, I was well-rounded. Yes, I was well-rounded. But when I think about, like, what really stuck with me, I just always think about the feeling that I have when I listen to, like, classic house or disco records. Like, it's something that you really can't describe. Like, I feel such joy and, like, satisfaction when I hear these songs. Because you can tell, like, people really, these artists, they really put such emotion and such feeling into the music that you just can't help but, like, move. You can't help but move your body. It's almost kind of like, you don't think about it. It's almost like intuition. And so for me, when I think about music that I really like and what I want to share with the world, I want people to feel like what I feel when I listen to the music.

7:02And I feel like in the house community, we all kind of share that. Like, when you hear a really good house record, you can't help but dance. There's no gimmicks. You're not looking out trying to see who's watching you dance. You're not afraid to get up and move your body. And honestly, when I'm with my friends that are my age and we're going out and doing things that are for people our age, like, you get a little bop here and there. But nobody's, like, getting down. Like, nobody's really taking it to the ground. And I feel like we've strayed so far away from that. And I just want to bring it back. So that was a big part of my inspiration and my journey DJing.

DJing and House Music

7:38I knew I only wanted to do house because that's what would really just give me that feeling. And I think you can tell when you see a lot of house DJs DJ, like, they're dancing with you. They're hype with you. And I think it's just a testament to, like, the spirit of house and what it can do for people and how it can actually heal people. There's a lot also going on in the world right now. So let's bring more happy music to the forefront. You know what I mean? Let's bring more love to the forefront. And typically what you'll hear in house and disco and funk songs is that it embodies that.

8:09Even if it's heartbreak, you still feel the love. And so that's kind of just the message that I want to put out there and just remind people that the music is still out here. The vibes are still out here. And a lot of the times when you hear these recent songs, they're sampling an old original record from the 70s or 80s anyway. So bringing it full circle to let people know that the things that you actually are kind of moved by already existed and here's how they existed. So that's my goal is, like, for the next generation, just to tie it all together.

8:39Right. And I hear you. And I love what you're saying because I think you're right in that. I noticed this in my generation and even younger generations where it feels like people are scared to move, to dance. And then you go to a house music festival, a house music party, and people have their eyes closed, the DJs DJing with their eyes closed. And it's such a feeling. It is a feeling before it's an action. And I think that's what really changes the landscape of the space sonically. You know, people are there to release versus impress each other.

9:12You know, it's communal. And I hear you on, especially with, like you said, there's a lot going on in the world right now. And somehow house music has a way of bringing people together who might not even speak the same language. And yet they're both dancing. Suddenly there's a sense of community. Suddenly the person next to you doesn't feel like a stranger. Yes, yes, yes. I feel like that's also a testament. Like you see the global impact of house as well. Like when I look at DJs who are like really renowned and really far in their career, they're doing gigs in Thailand.

9:45They're going to Japan. They're in the islands. They're going on cruises and bouncing around. They're going to Europe. Like it's everywhere. And I feel like that's what people need to like come back to. It's it should be more about the feeling than about like the act or the living up to. I feel like I've personally been a victim of that, too. I mean, we all do. There's so many socializations that we have to adhere to growing up just to like make sure that we're doing the right thing or that we're becoming successful the right way. And while I understand it, it's also like you can't live your life without finding the essence of who you are.

10:17And this is just part of my personal journey. And what I want to give to other people is like the space to find their essence, too.

Preserving Legacy

10:24Like even bigger than just like the music itself. And that's something that I don't think people also really realize either. You hear a song, it's good. You dance. But what does it actually mean to you? And like what does it mean for you moving forward once you leave the dance floor? So I don't know. I get deep about it. I think about it a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I just think about what am I actually putting out there? And I just want to encourage other people, especially my my generation and my age, to do the same, because I think, you know, I was just talking to Lauren right before she got off cam.

10:59And, you know, she was like, you know, me. She said she's old. I don't think she's old, but she's like, I'm like, you know, but she said, like, you know, we only have so many years left. And it's like that's kind of the sad truth. Like we also kind of losing legends every day. And so once they're gone, have we talked to them enough? Have we received enough to really understand what they were doing and how can we take that and continue to live up to it when it comes to just making an impact and really changing the world? It's a global thing. So like, you know, people are going to feel it.

11:31People are going to find it if that's what they're looking for. And I think that's just been a part of my journey. Yeah. And I hear that. And what I'm hearing, too, is this importance and this intention of yours to preserve legacy while creating your own. And I think that's a very interesting place for people of our age. You know, I turned 30. I'll be 31. And I think if you're in the like 35 to 25 age bracket, there is this sort of magic around influences of the past, but also what's new and what's next.

12:03And I will say six or so years ago now, when I first joined the Vintage House show, that is one thing that the team really wanted me to do, especially when it came to house music, was how do we keep these stories going? Because for a second there, it did feel like there were generational gaps between the old heads and the newcomers. And it was like, it's like the respect was there, but how do we bridge this gap? And they really put a lot of trust in me to try to keep the conversations going.

12:36And so I hear you in that it is important. We lose legends. And alongside that, if their stories aren't preserved, if they're, you know, just their legacy isn't preserved, we lose that as well. And then I think it's, especially with Chicago house music being rooted in queer Black Southside culture, when we lose that, it leaves it sort of vulnerable to outsiders to snatch it up and rewrite history. And so that's why I'm so, so, so excited to see someone like you sort of stepping up.

13:09And DJ, I think it's DJ Ty, Ty, right? Ty stepping up to the plate and sort of being this new face, this passing the baton. And so I want to hear more about, you know, it seemed like you were agreeing with me around this time where it felt like we're loving to go to the picnic and see the old heads perform, but also we go out and we hear new people.

Old and New Generations

13:31So I want to hear more about what, like, why is that so important to you? And what, and, you know, what do you think the old heads can learn from the newer generation? Yeah. I mean, first and foremost, there's always something to learn, whether it's us to the older generation or the older generation to us, right? There's, like, just an infinite amount of things to know that can help you as a person, help you as a DJ, a music listener, a party goer, what may have you. And I feel like this also can apply outside of music and just to, like, any facet of life.

14:04It's just, like, the world is always going to keep turning. It never stops. There are always going to be new people. There are always going to be new ideas.

14:14And we're free to have our opinions on them. I think, honestly, a good example of that is the usage of AI, right? It's, like, you know, people are really using it to advance or, like, enhance their vocals or their rhythms or how they produce. You know, on the other hand, people are, like, less stay true to, like, you know, the original softwares. But at a certain point, you know, there was a time where producing software didn't even exist. And so it's, like, you have to just be willing to learn and be willing to accept and be aware of what's going on around you because, you know, whether you form a positive or negative opinion on it, it's something to know.

14:51And knowing things is, I think, always gets you further than puts you back. And so I think taking that to the essence of, like, cross-generations, it's important for us to learn from each other because that's how we'll continue to connect. I mean, a lot of the times, you know, the general consensus for, like, a younger generation like mine from an older standpoint is, like, you know, we're working for a while, we're doing do-do-do-do, we're, you know, we're, you know, you know, you know, the stereotypes that we get. But it's, like, what influences us to be that way? And can we be brought back?

15:22Can we merge? And can we find a new normal for, like, how we choose to interact with each other? I find that, you know, over time and even, like, some of the criticism I've gotten as a young DJ, like, new to this space, it's just, like, when I think about how I want to show up, I want to show up in a way that acknowledges the history before me, but I also want to pave the way for something new. Because if we don't see anything new, then how are others going to be inspired?

15:54If we don't see someone be the oddball out, how are we going to be, like, you know what, I think about that, too. Let me take, let me rise to the occasion. Let me, you know, pave this way forward. There always, there has to be somebody to take the charge. And I feel very inspired to do that. And I feel like other people should, too, whether you're an OG or a newcomer. You have to be willing to, like, have your own opinions. You don't have to follow, you know, the status quo or whatever is being, you know, more acceptable or looked highly upon. That's how we actually get somewhere. We don't get anywhere by just having opinions and being stagnant.

16:25I like to see action, whether it's immediate or not. I think that goes back to the intention that you have with whatever you're doing in a space where you're new or you're old. So I think I kind of bounced around, but I think the consensus of it is all, it's just that be aware of what's going on around you. Be educated on what's going around you and use that to your advantage as your own special person, because that's how you create impact. And that's how you can bridge the gaps or, you know, find the, you know, the golden nugget of, like, how we can continue to move forward, like, as a society and as a family, as a community.

17:03Mm hmm. And I like what you said about inspiration and how if you go to the picnic and you only see the same DJs over and over again, that's wonderful. That's great. But how will that inspire the next generation? Because in a way it makes the next generation potentially feel like, um, maybe there isn't room for me here. Like maybe these guys got it and I should just do something else. And so I think I love what you're saying about inspiration.

17:33Someone who inspires me that I'm really excited to see this year is DJ Sluggo. Oh, when I saw Sluggo, I said, wow, this is different. I feel like in conversation with them trying something different, Ghetto House was not something I ever really thought about for the chosen few. I always thought so far. So to see them embrace Ghetto House was like, wow. So I'm really hyped to see what Sluggo has to do. He's so good. And yeah, that's exactly what I mean.

18:03Like we have to find a way to embrace all, like when House started, it just trickled down into so many, you know, subgenres, so many lanes, so many paths. And I love just building the industry overall. And it's so important to have people like DJ Sluggo. I actually saw him at Forever Mind, the Forever Mind Fest. Yes! He blew me away and he gave me that same feeling. It's like, we're from the South Side, like we juking, like we're outside and it still all comes from the same place.

18:33You know what I mean? So I think that's beautiful. I think honestly people are going to really enjoy it. Like you said, typically it is more of a soulful, more of a disco, more like traditional like house. But I feel like now we're talking, now we got Ghetto House, we have newer DJs who could like, you know, we don't even know, like, I don't even know how DJ Ty is coming, you know, like. Exactly, right. You got DJ Jazzy Jeff, I'm like, he can literally do anything. And that's another thing I saw, I said, okay, Jazzy Jeff, are we going to get like hip hop?

19:04Are we going to get like house, you know, I think they call it house hop, you know, I think they call it. So what are we going to get? And so I'm really excited about this year in particular. Hip house. I was like, what are they, I've seen it at like the vinyl record store, hip house. And I'm excited to see them embrace new, like you said, different avenues. First came house music, then came Ghetto House, then came Ghetto House, then came all these other things. So I do feel this opening and this, it just, I'm really excited and hype about this weekend.

19:40So. And I can only imagine the crowds that it will bring to like, maybe there are people who really like DJ Sluggo, people who really like DJ Jazzy Jeff, who are like coming just for them. But imagine all of these types of communities that maybe hadn't been before, really all occupying the same space, you know, together. And I feel like that's also the part of Chosen Few that I don't want people to miss either. It's like the community aspect of it. It's just like unreal. Like the people you meet, the people you'll just randomly meet, who are just, who might watch out for you in case somebody might drop a drink.

20:11You're like, you know, or you make sense on that one little song. It's like a family picnic. It's like a family picnic. I'm like, I've never seen you a day before in my life, but we are having a great time. That's like one of the things that I look forward to the most is the community aspect and how everybody's just so accepting and just really willing to take it there. Like we're here. We paid our money to get in. Like, let's go. Let's have a good time. Like we're making it worth it. So, yeah, I think that's another big part is like the strangers that I meet or people who I ran into and they'll be my aunt's friend or my mom's friend.

20:44I'm just like, oh, this is just amazing. It just goes to show how small and connected the world is. So I feel like that's what I also want people to know about Chosen Few as well. It's like outside of the DJs, like the people and the energy there every single year. It just never does. It's important for people to see is joy and community across generations. You know, I'm sure growing up seeing your mom or your aunties like having like letting their hair loose and just enjoying was inspiring. Yeah, it really was. It really was.

21:14It definitely set the standard. I feel like I and, you know, I also recognize that some people maybe aren't as fortunate to have that experience either. Like, you know, I have friends who grew up super religious or I have friends who maybe just didn't even know what house music was. Yeah. I don't even have it for real reason and like let their hair down. And for me, I'm just like I had that since I was a kid. And so cherishing that all the way through is like something I definitely don't take for granted. But imagine how much more impactful it would be for somebody like, you know, on the other side of it where like they're just coming into it. And it's just a world of expression and a world of freedom like better than that to

21:46me. So, yeah. And now you're sort of leading that experience. And so I'm so excited. I'm so proud of you. Like, I can't even a year and a half in the game and you are already making waves and getting the OGs to call you up on your phone like that. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Like humbly so. Like, that's one thing. I'm like, I am humble at heart. Like, I really do not take these things for granted.

22:17But I look back on the year and this past year and a half and I just can't believe it. But it just lets me know I'm doing something right. I think another thing people underestimate with DJing is like, it's not easy. Like, you really get to. It looks all fun, but there's so much that happens behind the scenes. Yeah. And I mean, when I first started, I could barely move at them turntables. I was just going up and fader. Right. I was just, like, so terrified. But the more you learn, like, the more you just really tap into it, play from your heart, play from your soul.

22:47Like, I think that really shows. Because I'm not the best CG in the world. I'll tell anybody that flat out. Like, I'm only a year and a half in, so there's no way that I possibly can be. And I take that in stride. And I just make sure that whatever message that I want to, like, promote is at the forefront. And people really get it. Like, I'll watch videos back that my friends may have recorded at a gig and just seeing somebody just really just, like, let their hair down and really understand where I'm coming from. And, like, it gives me a lot of hope and excitement because I just know that, like, regardless, somebody's going to feel it.

23:20And after that 10 to 11 set, I just know somebody's going to be, like, thank you. And that just feels like the best thing ever is just to know that I'm paying homage in the right way to people who have come before me and were there for the genesis of it all. So I'm really looking forward to just the interactions that I have, too, like, even after people are just, like, so express so much gratitude for, like, the feeling that you gave them. And I'll just be happy, like, even if I just get one thank you or even if I just get one compliment, like, that'll just, like, send me over the moon because that just continues to let me know that I'm doing something right amidst the criticism, amidst the feedback unprecedented that people tend to give.

24:01Like, you know, there's another side of that, too. Yeah, and so, like, just having those types of experiences, it feels more like an honor than pressure. So I'm just excited to get out there. And that's how you do it. Like, at the end of the day, it's an honor. It's fun. And as long as I'm there, you will have one person cheering for you in the crowd. You will have that. Thank you so much. I know I'm going to see the iHeart AMG shirt. So we're going to be squatted up. Yes. Don't you worry.

24:31AMG, thank you so much for being on the show. I am so grateful you are here with us. 10 a.m., we'll see you on the stage. Saturday, 10 a.m., I'm there. Can't wait. Amazing. Well, thank you. I'm going to go ahead and introduce our next guest, who is going to be attending. You know, is going to be on the attendee side. So we just spoke to the DJ. Now we're going to talk to the person who's showing up and adding to the experience.

Kahari Blackburn Interview

25:01So, Kahari Blackburn, welcome to the show. What's up? How are you doing? I'm good. How are you? Is my mic going through? Yep. You're all good. Camera looking crispy. I can't hear you for some reason. You can't hear me. Hmm. I am talking.

25:24Hmm. Hello, hello, hello. Can you hear me? Let's see. I think there might be a little, like, at the bottom. Are you on your laptop?

25:46Yes.

25:50Okay. Well, as we figure that out with Kahari, I am super honored to have spoken with AMG, because not only has AMG been on the Vintage House show, AMG has performed with me at Penny Whistle, where they shut the whistle down, and it was just so inspiring hearing them talk. So, you know, big ups to the chosen few for inviting them onto the show. Hey, Kahari, can you hear me now? Yes. Hey, we're in business. Welcome. What's up? Not much, you know?

26:23We were just talking to DJ AMG, who is going to be on the DJ stage side of the chosen few picnic. Now we're going to hear from you, who is a chosen few attendee alumni, you know? How many times have you been to the picnic?

26:39I think we have been going since we were kids, just due to, like, parents that would, like, bring us along. I feel like the first one we ever went to, we were probably, like, to, like, 11, 12. Wow. Yeah, if I'm 32 now, it's, like, probably, like, I've been, like, 10 times, 10 to 12 times. The way you went, I'm like, oh, it's a lot. It's too many to count. Too many to remember. Yes, for sure. Well, I think I want to start with the conversation with, you know, when you're younger, your parents

27:13are taking you. So, in a way, you're having a great time, but you don't have a choice, you know? Parents say we're going to chosen few picnic, you're going. But as an adult, with adult money, now you choose to buy a ticket and pull up. So, what inspires you as this younger generation to continue showing up and supporting the chosen few picnic? I think it has a lot to do with, like, learning more about, like, cultural heritage and, like, legacy of, like, Black music in the city.

27:44As you pointed out, like, I do think it used to kind of be this thing that was, like, yeah, this is, like, music of a different generation. We were, like, excited about the juke party. We were excited about a ghetto house. We were excited about a lot of that. But house music kind of did feel like this thing that was, like, for someone else. And over the years, I think it really has grown on me. And, like, then my interest and, like, desire to, like, dig deeper and, like, go to more house-related events and things, like, has increased. And so, yeah, we have a bunch of friends that are coming from different places in the country,

28:16you know, specifically to Chicago, literally for this every summer. And, like, that has been a fun thing to share, too, which is, like, you know, this is a thing that our city has. And these same parents and, you know, people are the people that are out there and that are DJing and that are putting it on. So I think it's a thing that, like, we feel a lot of pride and are very proud to be a part of. So that's exciting. Yeah. You know, I hadn't thought of it. That's crazy to me to think that there are people who fly in for this, like, it's Lollapalooza.

28:48But, low-key, it's the South Side's Lollapalooza. It is. And I think to an extent, like you said, it's sort of if you know, you know. There are many people in Chicago who don't know about this picnic. And it's, what, almost 30, over 30 years? Yeah. Close to 40. It's 40? Yeah. So it is a long-standing tradition and picnic that many in the city don't know about. And so I do see that sense of, like, we got this.

29:20And it's not just any other picnic. You know, I think the picnic can sound a little misleading. I remember when I went for the first time. My first time was actually with the Vintage House show a few years ago. And I wouldn't know what to expect. I was like, is it going to be Pitchfork? Is it going to be, like, picnic, like, DJ set up under a tent? And to see this blending of big stage, big crowd, but also grills everywhere and tents.

29:50And I was like, am I at, like, Electric Forest with the way everyone's all tented up and, you know, camping? But then you go to the dance floor area and you're like, now I feel like I'm at Pitchfork. And then you're backstage and it's like, wait, now I feel like I'm just, like, in the, I don't know, in the green room with people just chilling. And so it is this really beautiful blend of different energies that come together. And, you know, Kari, when I think of, like, South Side culture, I definitely think of you and your family. Like, I think you and your family are a beautiful representation of what it means to be from the South Side of Chicago.

30:27So I hear why you want to invite the friends and be like, this is my home. This is what I grew up doing. For sure, yeah. I think it's such a fun combination of, like, really hospitable, really, like, kind, very loving, and then just, like, very hype. Like, the fact that househeads are, like, in their 60s sometimes and can dance for 12 hours, like, blows my mind. In the heat, because it's always in the summer. It is always in the summer.

30:58And it's because it's such a heart-led thing. Like, people are so passionate. They really are, like, obsessed with, you know, the music and the people. And, like, it's such a dance floor-centric thing, which is, like, I like that you started this interview as, like, an attendee because I think, yeah, they, in some musical circumstances, it's kind of like everyone's attention is maybe on the stage. But I think so much in-house music environments, it's, like, clothes people are wearing, like, the dances people are doing, like, the way people are interacting and engaging.

31:33And that has been a fun part of, like, learning about, I think, more about it. So, yeah, I enjoy that, particularly kind of coming more from, like, a hip-hop, like, sit on the wall and kind of, like, you know, look cool kind of a thing. Like, I have to bring my homies to these spaces sometimes, and it's a real test to, like, push them in the water. And, like, you know, people will, like, just pick up on the energy and just, like, get into it and kind of, like, let loose a little bit. So, no, I'm grateful to be able to, like, be a participant in it.

32:04And I think one thing that is really fun is also to, like, you know, it's kind of the role that, like, you as well as AMG are, like, playing is, like, now it's kind of, like, the duty of, like, the next generations to, you know, see the examples and then, like, kind of keep it going. Because I feel like DIY culture is such a huge part of it. Like, there's a guy on my block, I stay in, like, Woodlawn, and he just does, like, a block party, a house music block party for, like, the neighborhood off his own dime. And, like, it's such a fun, like, I don't know, such a fun part of just, like, the South Side and, like, I don't know, the Chicago thing, which is, like, the scrappiness or the, like, being resourceful and just kind of, like, making things happen.

32:44And, like, Chosen Few was a much more humble experience historically. Like, I remember going to a parking lot, literally, and, like, you know, people's cars were parked up with, like, small speakers. And, like, it wasn't Lollapalooza as it is now, you know? Yeah. But that's fun to see also. Well, thank you for that perspective because I think it does show the importance of passing on these recipes. Because for someone who might be going to this festival, or I'd call it a festival, but to the picnic, and I love that they still call it a picnic.

33:20They could call it anything, but at the core, it's just a place for people to commune of all ages. I think picnic captures the essence of, like you said, bring the kids, bring the grandmas, bring the aunties, bring the friends. Like, you know, just bring, be respectful, commune. That's all we ask is express yourself, commune, be respectful. And so, you know, it's so interesting to hear you be like, this was in a parking lot years ago. And now we have a stage of, you know, now we got permits, you know, involved.

33:54So. Yeah. No, that part, that part is pretty amazing. And I think even hearing you all kick out a little bit about, like, the set list of, like, you know, who's playing it. And, like, I'm not always super versed. Like, sometimes I'm just, like, I'm like, all right, I'm down. I'm going to listen. Like, whatever pulls me, gravitates. But I do know that there's, like, superstars on the thing. And even, like, yeah, as it increases in the evening and, like, you notice, like, I don't know, sometimes the pulse and the anticipation starts rising.

34:24And, like, the drops get more drastic. And, like, I don't know. People start just losing it. The pulse are longer.

34:32So, yes. I know it is also, like, an internationally historic, you know, thing in all these ways. But it also sometimes feels just like the crib and, like, very simple. And, like, yeah. And I think it's, you know, kudos to them. Because I like what you said about you don't even show up being, like, at 10 a.m. this person, at 11 a.m. this person, at 12 p.m. You show up and you're, like, okay, I know I'm going to hear good music. And that's it. Like, my phone is going to have poor service. I won't even be able to tell who's DJing when.

35:02I'm just here. I'm present. You know, I think that's something that I love about the picnic that is still very sacred is just the importance of presence. That we are all amongst each other. You know, we are just here to catch up, to let loose. Like you said, like, get off the wall. We're going to, like, actually move our bodies and hear good music.

35:26Yes. Which, yeah, those are just the buttery essence, I think, of the thing, as it should be. Like, one thing that sometimes I have not, I think I've backed up sometimes on a lot of, like, hip-hop-based things. Because it kind of just comes, like, a lot more about, like, the celebrity and there's, like, the appearance of people. And not always, like, you know, people giving you, like, a good party or, like, a good show. And so I think that is one thing that seems to have, like, stayed really true in the house music. Which is, yeah, people are there to, like, for the good time.

35:58Yeah. And that is, I always feel, like, pretty charged and, like, rejuvenated from the experiences. Right. You would think after being in the sun for 10 hours, like, we're tired. But so often are people, like, where are we dancing next? Like, they feel, like, not even going home to change. Like, boom, straight to the after party. Like, let's keep the energy going. Yes. I've noticed there was a bunch of spinoff parties that are walking distance from the Chosen Few picnic as soon as it breaks at 10 o'clock.

36:28There is, like, options. And you can hear them as soon as you walk out. Right. There are, like, parking lots. And they're cracking. And I'm, like, all right. Yeah, that is all. Right. Even, like you said, even if it's someone just setting up the speakers and people are just sitting around the car catching, you know, it's catching the vibe. It's beautiful. Yeah. So you said you've been going almost 20 years now.

House Music Growth and Change

36:50Besides, you know, the growth and how it was used to be in a parking lot, it was a lot humbler. How else have you experienced house music maybe as a genre expand and grow and change?

37:06Well, I think, like, I'm always trying to kind of assess, like, what am I hearing and what am I, like, most attracted to? Um, and I think that, like, so much, yeah, I feel like it's just, like, a really good genre for, like, many genres to exist within. And there's, like, there's all these threads of, like, gospel music and, like, soul music and, like, disco and even, like, goes into the jazz thing. And, like, um, I think that has been fun to, like, explore. And I may have you asked me the question one more time before I get on a tangent of something that is not the thing.

37:39Yeah, it's just basically, yeah, how, how, I think you're on the right path, you know, how have you house music as sonically grow and change over time since when you first started going?

37:51Ooh, yeah. And it's interesting because I don't even know if I can speak to it as, like, the genre itself. Like, I don't, I really probably missed, like, Drake's house album and I probably missed Beyonce's house album. I'm not gonna lie to you. It's okay. But within the city, I can always, I, like, for sure can hear these threads of, like, um, like, with, like, Ron Trent or, like, um, like, Ocean Latte or, like, uh, YG. Like, that generation of, like, people that were making, like, hip-hop music using the same instruments that all these house people were making, uh, the music with.

38:28And then, like, over time, like, seeing that, like, I don't know, people just kind of keep going deeper and keep going, like, into these, like, little, like, pockets that they find. Um, and particularly, like, a lot of, like, Chicago has a bunch of that gospel house. I always hear that constantly. Or, like, kind of the soul house kind of thing. Like, I hear that a bunch. Um, and so, yeah, that has been a fun, a fun one for me to, like, challenge myself and, like, explore more. And I think globally, like, the sound is also in so many other places. Like, there was a time where, like, I mean, we were listening to, like, a bunch of, like, music from, like, the UK.

39:01I think there's what's called, like, Club in the CBD, Chaos in the CBD or something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, globally, it's, like, you can hear that all these other people in other places are listening to the music. And, like, they're producing things that are inspired. And, like, I'm resonating with it because, like, I kind of grew up with this in the water around me. But, like, now I hear it in something else. So, I think that part has been fun for me the most. But I have to ask you that same question. Like, yeah, what is the state of house and, like, where is it heading?

39:34You know, I think it's interesting. I really like how you brought up the international influence because I think that's something that we saw years ago, like, in the early thousands, that is, it was kind of there. It's nice to see people outside of Europe doing house. And it's been cool to explore the different, you know, house. I don't think there's a single country that house hasn't influenced or touched. You know, and I've learned that on my DJ journey, especially because I started pretty much only doing house. And so, I, but I always loved the global perspective.

40:07So, I would look at, like, you know, Arab countries and hear, like, you know, Arab acid they have. There's a collective called. And so, I think something that I can definitely attest to that you sort of brought up was around the juke parties. And that, to me, I knew juke before I knew house. And then I sort of, I think I did it in reverse, where I learned about house music is actually just slowed down juke. And then when I really listened and learned, I was like, oh, yeah.

40:40And so, it's really exciting to see someone like DJ Sluggo on a lineup for The Chosen Few. Because I think for the longest time, I thought Chosen Few is sort of, like, where you go to hear that, like, old school, soulful, gospel, like, deep, deep house experience. But, you know, to see someone I grew up listening to and, like, having juke parties to is, like, wait, this is fun. Because I think, if I'm being honest, juke is having a major, major, major moment right now.

41:11Specifically, there are people in Austin, Texas having juke, or Houston, Texas throwing juke parties. Wow. They're bringing Chicago juke legends, like, you know, DJ Spin and DJ Manny. They're flying them out to do juke parties. And so, it's really fun to see a place like Chosen Few sort of have a nod at that. And so, I think for me, that's, it's, like, I feel like I'm, like, connecting the web of house. Like, house isn't even at the center.

41:41At the center, it's, like, disco, right? To me, it's, like, the disco. And I go vinyl record shopping, and I'll listen to this, like, Motown record. And I'm, like, that's a house sample, you know? So, it's, for me, I feel like I've just been mapping across and seeing, finding the inspirations. And so, I feel like this is a year for me where I look at the lineup, and I'm, like, wait, this feels different. This feels a bit younger. It feels like we have a bit, we have younger DJs. And we have things that fall maybe a little bit outside of house. Like Sluggo. Like Jazzy Jeff.

42:13We were talking about Jazzy Jeff, and I'm, like, what's Jazzy Jeff about to do? I'm excited. No, he's a problem. I feel like I haven't, I've heard him, like, one of my, he was one of, like, my first real DJ experiences. He played the shrine, like, when we were, like, teenagers or something. And it was one of the, like, it was just one of the most, like, thoughtfully, like, well-executed DJ sets I had ever heard up until that point. So, I think he probably understands the context, and he's probably going to, like, work within those constraints. But I feel like that's going to be a fun challenge.

42:45And similarly, one thing about, like, a lot of, even, like, the old heads, it's been interesting in their sets, like, hearing what they play. Like, I was asking Akili one day, like, because her pops is Alan King. Okay. And I texted her, he dropped some song, and I was like, did you, like, show him this? And she's like, no. Like, he found out. He just got one on the phone. Yeah. Like, and I was like, what does he know about that kind of a thing? But it's like. I love the reverse, what does he know about that? Exactly. And that is the fun thing.

43:16Even, like, you highlight in the intergenerationalness is, like, they're still in the thick of all the things. Like, you know, they don't hit a plateau or a peak. And, like, it's going to be fun to just see them continue to, like, interact and maybe bring along. Like, I know even Terry Hunter is, like, working with a bunch of younger producers in the city and doing that. So, yeah, I don't know. That part is pretty cool. All these dudes are, like, internationally acclaimed, and they're walking around Chicago. Maybe people don't always know who they are. Right.

43:46But I do know that they have a huge influence and, like, are able to maybe open doors for a lot of younger folks, too. So that's going to be cool. And I like what you said about, you know, the peak. I think the Chosen Few is a testament that house music hasn't hit a peak and it'll never hit a peak in Chicago. I feel like the Chosen Few is a very humble reminder to the rest of the world that house music has always been here. It is. I mean, it was created here. And it's never been a trend. You know, sometimes people are like, oh, you know, I love house music.

44:16Like, it's such some people, especially out of Chicago, they're like, that's like summer music. And to me in Chicago, I'm like, that's all year-round music. Summer is where it probably was born because there's something about hearing house music outside in an open field on the big speakers that feels different than, you know, in a bar. But house music has never peaked here. And I think it's cool to see some of the OGs challenge, like you said, challenge themselves to play some new things, mix it with the old school things, and show us time and time again that, you know, house music, it's not going anywhere.

44:55That it will always be the pulse of Chicago.

45:01Do you consider, like, I'm a piano, house music? I would argue yes. And I would argue yes because of the steadiness of the beat. I think it has, like, the house music sort of blueprint. It's a bit slower, I would say. It's sort of on, like, the slower tempo. And it doesn't particularly always have the four on the floor. But I think the structure where there's these long, drawn-out intros and, like you said, dramatic drops, that feels a lot like house to me.

45:39And I think it's beautiful, right? Again, like we were saying earlier, this is South Africa's interpretation of house. You know, maybe they heard one of those eight-minute-long house tracks and were like, yo, what if we did this with some of our instruments? And so that's actually something we've talked about on the show, where I'm a piano is absolutely, I think, influenced by house music, for sure. So let's see. Maybe the chosen few will get an I'm a piano DJ in there one of these days. I don't know.

46:10I feel like, you know, we're at the precipice of seeing the organizers sort of open themselves up as to what house music can look like in today's time. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Hey, I got to give also one shout-out to, like, Pilsen and just, like, Latinx Chicago, like, a period as a teenager and into my 20s was, like, going hard with house music. At a time where, like, a lot of, like, I don't know, Black folks at our same age group were not super into it.

46:42And I will have to shout-out, like, a couple of my homies that were, like, deep into it and obsessed at a time in which, like, the, like, older generation of Black folks were super into it, but, like, younger. Let us know. Yeah, and I remember there were so many, like, house music parties, like, in Pilsen and just, like, that was going on. And one thing, born and raised in Pilsen, one thing about us, we love a house party. We love a basement party. We love a garage party. We love a backyard party. We love a block party. Don't get me started on the block parties. We love a block party.

47:13And I hear you because growing up in Chicago or in Pilsen, you know, out-the-car speakers, I knew I would hear some house music, some freestyle, or some juke. And when I say house, I just mean, like, ghetto house, too, like, some hard bass house. Like, we used to call that just, like, you know, auntie music.

47:35So it was stuff my mom used to just play while she was cleaning. Wow, okay. You're like, wow, this is quite explicit. Right. No, but thank you for acknowledging that because I think that their, like, house music, once it reached beyond the south side and made it to the northwest, we started to see different interpretations, different mixings, different remixes. And it's interesting, you know, one of the most consistent house music parties in Chicago is actually in Pilsen.

48:06So I think, you know, at Penny Whistle on a Thursday, you can go to Penny Whistle on a Thursday and you know there's going to be house. And so I think that says a lot as to, you know, thank you for acknowledging that, that we love our house music up here, too. We used to have the house music festival. You know, it only lasted a few years, but there was a house music festival that was at Harrison Park right here in Pilsen. Yes. I've been to that before, I think, yeah. Yep, that was my first ever festival and I actually got to meet Paul Johnson there and he kissed my hand.

48:42It was like, it was a dream come true. He was headlining the main stage and I was just doing the little community stage. So I had, I somehow got access to the little main stage back area and they were, I thought it was Paul Johnson and I was like, hey, you know, I'm just a major fan of your work. And he kissed my hand and was like, keep going. And I was like, okay. If you say so. Right. Like now I must.

49:10And so, no, but you know, it's, it's, I'm really excited. I'm excited to dance with you on Saturday. I'm excited to just commune and be, and just, you know, feel, I think the thing that I love about house music and this festival too, is that there's element of nostalgia. Like, even if you didn't grow up going to the picnic, you feel some, for some reason, like, I don't know, this is something you've been to. It reminds you of like a familial community experience.

49:41Yeah. Yeah, no, the connective, like, force to the thing is pretty wild. And like, I mean, I wonder how much that also is just like the inclusivity of like, the thing. Like, people are always super excited and like, we'll bring you in and encourage you and like, that whole piece. So, yeah. Yeah. I do look forward to that too. And yeah, summertime is here. So. In full swing. It's full swing. Yeah. Like, I got to figure out what I'm wearing because. Yeah, the fits.

50:12The fits. I'm glad you brought that up. The fits. Woo, the fits, the accessories, down to the fan, matching the dress, matching the shoes, matching the, ah, like. No, I go to the gym, like, around the corner from Jackson Park and the uncles be in there. I'm telling you, the biceps are popping right now. They're getting ready for Saturday. They're getting ready. They're getting tank top ready. Yes, the muscles will be out. Yup. Yup. Exactly. Well, I'm so excited.

50:42Thank you for being on here and just sharing perspective, sharing space and, you know, sharing your opinion. I think it's important that we hear for the next generation to, you know, the Gen Z folks to hear what keeps us going year after year. You know, what, what encourages them to want to attend? You know, I think seeing us, seeing our parents feel joy and then them seeing us feel joy and express ourselves. Like you said, it encourages them to get off the wall and like move, you know, be, this is a safe space.

51:14But it's kind of on us to say that out loud and embody that. Yeah. So, yeah, that's true. Yeah. You got to kind of see it reflected and then you're like, oh, cool. Where? Where? Right. It's like, oh, this is that kind of space. And I think, and then what's cool about the picnic is the things you learn there, the community, the expression, the fits, the music you hear, you, it leaves the festival. Or the park, and I think that's what's beautiful too, is that those memories are carried with you forever, essentially, as long as you remember them.

51:46And so I think that's why these experiences and these conversations are really important because this is, us, we're able to say all this because we attended the festival. And we're able to reflect and bring the energy here on the eve of, you know, essentially the eve of the next one. So. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for always your, your wisdom, your words, your perspectives, your analysis.

52:12I was like, I was kind of scared. I'm like, what do you want me to talk about? But having me in mind, I'm like, yeah, it's always good to chop it up with you. It's been really fun to be along your journey as it relates to music and curation of space and like, you know, bringing people together and like, yeah, you do a lot for the city. So I'm like, always very grateful to, to, to be able to participate in whatever those ways are. Thank you. Now, don't be surprised if I pull you aside to interview in action. I'm going to have my little mic.

52:43And I'll be like, sorry, like, hit check. Right, right, right. No, let's go. I got, I got a hat that just came, you know? Oh, it's still in the box. The chosen few hats. I might, I might put some on, you know, put a little some on. Some slight, you know. Some slight. Some slight. Well, Gahari, thank you so much. I will see you this Saturday. I appreciate you so much for being on the show. And yeah, thank you. All right. Enjoy the rest of the evening. Thank you. You too.

53:14See you Saturday. Yes. And for those watching, thank you so much for tuning in with me. We are from DJ AMG, who will be performing live at the picnic this Saturday, 10 a.m. July 11th. We'll see you there. My name is DJ Mo Mami. Thank you so much for listening, for tuning in. If you see me at the picnic, make sure you say hi. It's going to be a great time. This is Mo Mami checking out for the Vintage House Show Spotlight. If you're listening on the radio, thanks for tuning in to WNUR 89.3 FM, HD1, Evanston, Chicago.

53:51Have a good night, everyone.

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