September iPhone Event, Why Bending Spoons Ruins Everything, AI Slop Google Maps

0:00Only a true friend would be that truly honest. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. We have a bunch of stuff this week. We got CarPlay and Boats. Anthropics Models are also hacking companies. We're going to do a deep dive in why Bending Spoons is not a great company to be acquiring all the things. Google had an AI shakeup, the FCC banned robot vacuums, and a ton more. This episode is brought to you by Framer, CleanMyMac, and you, the members who support us directly. I'm one of your hosts, a developer, Stephen Robles, because my app is now in the App Store. I'm joined by my friend, developer Jason Aiton.

0:30How's it going, Jason?

0:32I was not prepared for that introduction. Listen, the developer is a joke. I don't call myself a developer, but CanDo, which I talked about on last week's episode, it's in the App Store. It's live. It launched. Did you know there's, I'm sorry to tell you this. There's another CanDo app. Yeah. I was very confused. I almost downloaded it. It's not a Kanban app, though. It's definitely not. It's a motor skills measurement tool, which I was like, maybe Stephen sent me this because he thinks I need to become more coordinated. No, no. I looked up, I looked up the name, but anyway, yeah, CanDo, it is in the App Store.

1:02I'll put it there. I actually have a video going live in one minute as we record on my YouTube channel talking all about it. But we have a bunch of stuff to talk about. Number one, do you know where that movie quote was from? Only a true friend would be that truly honest. I don't know which one, but I'm pretty sure it's one of the Shrek movies. Yes, that's correct. I don't know which one. I think it's from the first Shrek. Okay. I think it's Donkey talking to Shrek, right? I think you're right. I can't say that word because I say it funny and then everyone's going to comment.

1:31Whenever I say it, I usually say Donkey and then everybody. I thought you were going to say Shrek was really hard for you to say. No, no, no. It's Donkey. It's like one syllable. Donkey? I don't know how to say that word. Anyway, we want to give a five-star review shout out. Our man, 1999 from the USA, loves the show. We break down the tech news, gives insights. Thank you for that. If you're in the US especially, we're trying to get 500 reviews in the United States. We love five-star ratings and reviews from all over the world. We love seeing it. We'll give you a shout out at the top of the show. Thanks for doing that. Also, we talked about, which I think I listened back to last week's episode, and your Jurassic Park AI analogy I think was just spot on.

2:04I enjoyed that analogy. And I called for shirts, and we did actually get a shirt design. Theo from the UK. This is a pretty good... That's what that... I get it now. Okay. I didn't understand it. It says, you know, in the show, we talked about being a herbivore. We want AI to be a herbivore so it doesn't eat us. And so he made this to the front of the shirt. It says herbivore, but it's herb AI, capital AI, vor. And then there's a plant on the back. I thought that was a very fun shirt. We'd love to entertain more short ideas. Maybe we can put some in the merch store.

2:34AI, Jurassic Park, that theme. Whatever you want to do. I thought that'd be pretty fun. And the Medieval Knight Riding the Polar Bear has made it to another location. This is Santi. He's also in my shortcut community. Thank you, Santi. But Burlington, Vermont. It says it's his favorite pin. So there it is. That's a really nice scenery, too. That's at Sunset with the boats. He got there at Golden Hour. That's the nicest scenery the knight has ever seen. I don't know. It looks pretty nice. That's nice. It's nice. You ever been up there, like Maine area? I have been to Maine once. It's very nice up there. I've been to Boston several times, but I've been to Maine one time.

3:06Yeah. Yeah. It's really pretty. I did, when I worked for the travel company, I did a cruise, like a fall cruise when the leaves were changing. And we went up to, like, Nova Scotia and St. John's. And, like, it is incredibly beautiful up there. Yeah. Awesome. You know what's not beautiful are ads in Apple News. This is going to be a new segment because I'm waiting for ads to hit Apple Maps because Apple said that should be happening. It might be when iOS 27 launches officially in September. But John Gruber, he's starting a new Apple ad of the week.

3:39And I just wanted to share this one. He saw this ad. Apple News ads have been going down the toilet for years, but it didn't used to be this literal. And he has a screenshot here of an ad in Apple Maps of a toilet with someone spooning out a green substance out of green water. What? Listen, this feels like bottom of the barrel ads right here. All of these are just chum ads. They're all bottom of the barrel. Yeah. This is the worst. Why? It is hard. I do feel like Tim Cook doesn't know this is happening. Do you think so?

4:10Well, no, maybe not Tim Cook. I think he sees this ad and then someone slides a piece of paper across the table showing the ad's profit for the year in Apple News. And he said, yeah, right. No one is clicking on that ad, Stephen, on purpose. No one's clicking on that. Can I also say I've seen... Or the toenail fungus ones. No one's clicking on that. Seven ways to remove... Anyway, my wife, she will sometimes scroll reels in the Facebook app, which pains me. But I've now seen that there's now banner ads on the bottom of reels as she's scrolling.

4:44So not only could there be sponsored reels from companies, but while you're just watching a regular reel in the Facebook app specifically, I've never seen this on Instagram, but in the Facebook app, there'll be a chum box ad of like, hey, here's custom something or other. I'm like, what? Were they talking about that on Dithering recently? They're talking about on the Verge cast. Verge cast. Yeah. I've seen that. I've started seeing that as well, where you're just watching it and some stupid ad just pops up. It has nothing to do with the video. Yeah, you're right. Because they were talking about how like, things got to be rough for Mark Zuckerberg right now, where he's just like, where else can we put an ad?

5:15I think my video might've been taking them out. I think my video on the Metaglasses might be taking down Facebook personally. I'll take responsibility. But we can only pray. We can only hope. We can only hope. We're going to get to Instagram. I have it in a moment. I also wanted to share this hilarious. We got CarPlay in a boat before GTA 6 and also CarPlay in any EV really, or Rivian and Tesla at least. But yeah, MasterCraft is bringing CarPlay and Android Auto to its pontoon boats, which I laugh so hard at this, but also I'd be for it.

5:46Well, sure. I think it's kind of ridiculous that it shows a map because I don't know that that's the primary use case of CarPlay on a boat. I'm not suggesting maps are not important. Please boat people don't. I'm not interested. I'm not interested. I love a boat. I don't own a boat. Jason, if you have any superpower, it's to get the most obscure troll group on the internet to start arguing with you on threads. Hold on. All I'm trying to say is I don't... I think that the... Fine. I'll post this take on threads. I don't think that the best use case of CarPlay on a boat is going to be the map features,

6:21right? Yeah. I think it's going to be the fact that now you can listen to your music. Music. If you're on a pontoon boat, which is what this is coming to, what you want is like a music or stuff. I don't think it's like, sweet, let's see. Because I don't feel like the mapping in Apple Maps was really designed for route planning for boats in waterways. I wouldn't think so. Have you ever tried that? Like, it does sort of show it, but it doesn't... When you get directions, you got walking, bicycle, ride share, and driving.

6:54I've never seen a boat. I can't wait for a boat to show up in my iPhone. Honestly, that would be hilarious. If somehow, if I don't think this, the Venn diagram of listeners and viewers of this show and Mastercraft pontoon boat owners that might have CarPlay, I don't think those Venn diagrams touch. But if you have a boat and fire up CarPlay, does it offer boat directions? We need to know. We have to know. I don't think it does. But anyway, we have a bunch of other segments I want to get to. We actually have a Brendan Cars, a dummy segment in a moment, but also wanted...

7:27Oh, did you see... I'm sorry about the CarPlay. Did you see Casey Liss's post about this? It's like, with cars and boats, Rivian, no. Everybody gets it except for Rivian. No Rivian. Tesla's been supposedly going to get CarPlay for like a year because everyone was talking about it, but still nothing. And I don't even know if my... Yeah, and Tesla has a, what, 12-year history, 13-year history of not having it. So people who bought a Tesla have already made that decision, but there's no reason that anybody... I thought that the tweets would be like, GM. Like, what's wrong with you, GM? Right, right, exactly. Exactly. So Apple is actually doing a lottery for its Apple retail employees for the iPhone event.

8:03So they don't say it's the iPhone event, but they say there's an in-person event happening at Apple Park. A lot of people online were like, as soon as John Ternes became CEO, now we have in-person events again. No. Mark Gurman, journalist... Excuse me. Journalist Mark Gurman at Bloomberg said an in-person event, but not that it would be a live on-stage event. In-person event means press gets invited to Apple Park. They go to the Steve Jobs Theater, and they get hands-on, which is what has been happening for iPhone events since COVID. So I don't think this means live on-stage event, but whenever this event happens, it

8:35seems like it'll be in the first half of September. That's when Apple told retail employees it would be that they can enter the lottery to be invited to Apple Park for this event in the first half of September. It will be probably be John Ternes' first event. It will be John Ternes' first Apple event as CEO. I imagine he'll do a little on-stage thing for the people there in the room, but it's probably still going to be recorded, a streamed video event. But yeah, first half of September. Yeah, but I don't think they're going to do a public...

9:06Yes, I think he'll come on stage and do the hello or glad you're here kind of thing. He can't say good morning. It'll have to be something different. Oh, that's true. Apple doesn't make a big... Even Tim Cook's last earnings call, he gave a two or three paragraph thing about it, but they don't make a big deal about themselves, right? No, they don't. And so I don't think that Tim... I don't think John Ternes has come on stage and be like, I'm so happy to be here as your new CEO. I have some amazing things to unveil. I think he's just going to go out and do it the same way that Tim Cook would have done it or whatever.

9:36And so... Yeah. I don't know. We also... The Apple earnings call, which was Tim Cook's last Apple earnings call, was last Thursday, which happened after we released the episode. I don't know if there's a ton of things to report. It was Tim Cook's last one. They broke records for Q3 again. And I will link Jason Snell's Six Colors article. They always... Jason and Dan Morin always do great work covering the earnings call. But yeah, they made a bunch of money. They're doing fine. They also might be the... Were they the first $5 trillion company?

10:07I think they're on their way to being that. Well, they were actually the largest company again. Right, right. Until after the earnings call because they gave sort of a soft forecast based on, you know, supply limitations. And so it's funny when they're like, we had a record quarter, but it would have been bigger if we weren't limited in our supply chain by things like, oh, I don't know, RAM and SSDs. It's not like they're ever limited by those little screws that some guy in Iowa is making for them, the little tiny ones. Did you ever read that story? Like the one screw maker is making all the little tiny screws in an iPhone or something

10:41like that? Really? I don't remember the exact details. There's a story. Look it up. Like some guy... Some one company is making all those little tiny little screws or whatever. That's not the limitation. They can make lots of screws. It's the RAM and it's the SSDs. Now I want to find this. He's got to find this. Okay. I'm not going to... I won't search live because the initial Google search didn't pull it up. But yeah, so that was that. Now you put a screenshot here in the show notes before we started recording of Instagram. A new pop-up.

11:11And what do you think of this, Jason? Well, I've been on this for a while. I hate the little pop-up because I hate like the browser inside of like Meta's properties. And it was clear why they want it. They don't want you to leave the app. But I always thought the reason they don't want you to leave the app is because once you leave the app, you do like what happens on the internet. You get distracted. You click on a link to go to some website for some company. And then you're like on Bellroy's website. And you're like, yeah, but doesn't Waterfield have one? I should go look at Waterfield.

11:41And you know what? Oh, this picture. This reminds me of this place in San Francisco we're going to go to next year. So let me look on Expedia and see if I can book a room to that. And then you're like 40 minutes later, you've just moved on with your life. And Instagram's over like, come back, come back. Well, they're like, we'll just use our browser and then you'll still be here. Turns out there's a much worse reason why they want you to use their browser. And they started putting up a screen, a little interstitial card to tell you exactly why, which is in order to provide new AI features and personalized experiences, we'll collect all the information about what you do when you use our browser.

12:14And then you'll get... Just not like paraphrasing. Literally, that's what it says. Verbatim in this pop-up, we'll collect and use info about websites and your interactions with them when you use the in-app browser. Happy browsing. And then you'll get personalized promos. So what they're saying is we're going to collect a bunch of information, feed it into our AI, and use it to show you more ads. That's exactly it. You know what I was thinking? I was thinking just yesterday, you know what doesn't have enough ads right now? Well, definitely Instagram. More ads. Who didn't want more ads?

12:45You know what I mean? Yeah. That's not good. By the way, I found the story. There's like... Oh. There's like... It was a story about why iPhones can never be made in the US and it has to do with these little tiny, tiny screws. I don't know. But the screws are made here in the US. I don't know if that's true. Yeah. Well, I don't know. This company can make a thousand screws per day. It has something to do with the making of the Mac Pro in Austin and that there's no way that they could make enough to make the iPhone.

13:16I think that was the gist of it. I see. Okay. Well, I will... Oh, look. That's Deirdre O'Brien. I interviewed here at the Miami Apple Store. I'll put a link to this article that Jason and I don't really know what it's about. It's about screws. Some random story about something that someone once told me on a bus when I was riding from an airport to the rental car place. I don't know. Well, enjoy that from the Texas Standard, the National Daily News Show of Texas. This was a news item last week. Again, clarification came out more so afterwards.

13:48And I wanted to bring it up because the FCC has banned robots that also include robot vacuums. And the FCC is claiming, and this is Brendan Carr, and I don't know, should I play the little Gregorian chant? Should we license that from the Verge cast? Sure. I'm going to play it. I'm going to play it. Here's the Gregorian chant. Brendan Carr is a dummy.

14:16Brendan Carr, head of the FCC, has banned robots because of security and things. And I will also link his tweet where I feel like this is probably an AI-generated image, but this is his official Twitter account posting this image, the Federal Communications Commission, saying, FCC adds foreign-produced advanced robotic devices and power inverters to covered list. And there is, I think, an AI-generated image of a red robot in a fighting stance and a robot dog. Both have red eyes.

14:46And they also made the power inverter that looks like it's just on a pole or whatever. Very intimidating. They tried to make it red and rusty and angry, even though it doesn't even have eyes. I don't know. So they posted this very silly image, banned these robots. Here's why it's silly. So one, they're saying privacy and security, we need to ban robots made in China specifically. But they're not doing anything about all the robots already here. So all the robot vacuums, all the robots that are already in the US, those are cool.

15:18They can stay and keep spying on us. No problem. Only new models made in China will be banned unless there is a special exemption. And the exemption is not security questions. I will link the Verge article. They said, the government isn't asking these companies any questions about security, not a single one, to get the waiver to be allowed back in the US. The FCC only wants to know where they're designed and made and assembled. Namely, they want them to be made in the US. This is a play just to try to get manufacturing back to the US, but it's not.

15:51It feels a little bit like security theater. I think it actually is. And there's already exceptions, aside from robot vacuums and other robots, for self-driving cars and trains made in China. Those get a pass. Unmanned aircraft and underwater vehicles made in China, which I'm like, if we're worried about robot vacuums, I would think unmanned aircraft would be also a big worry. But I guess not. I mean, isn't that just the DJI drones? Those are unmanned aircraft. Those are also banned, though. Yeah, I don't know. Underwater vehicles. I don't even know what that is.

16:21Surgical robots, wheelchairs, and fixed robot arms for industrial and medical use. So we're cool with all those robots. But other robots, which it is kind of funny, like in the FCC image that they posted, it's this red humanoid robot. But also robots get a pass that are like underwater. Anyway. Yeah, it's okay for the robots to come and cut you open because they're operating on you, but they cannot clean your floors. That's exactly right. We only want these super high-end capable robots, not the ones that do menial housework.

16:53Correct. There's actually like a metaphor there, but we won't go into it. We won't get into that. I just, and the reason why I find this, one, it's silly, as a lot of things have happened that are silly in these different kinds of bands. Two, if there's actually concerns of security and spying from Chinese-made robots, investigate that. But that's not what the FCC is doing. They're not looking into the actual security and privacy implications. They're just looking at where this stuff is manufactured. So if there's actual concern, let's actually address the concern. And two, robot vacuums, I'll just little inside baseball, are some of the highest paying, most

17:29regular sponsorship videos you will see on YouTube. That's why all the dedicated videos, or a lot of dedicated videos you see, are robot vacuum videos. Because they release new models all the time. The big names like Roborock, Yuffie, Dreamy, Narwhal, all of them made in China. And they all also pay really well for dedicated videos. Now, I haven't done a dedicated robot vacuum video in about a year, because I stopped when I went independent. But I've done a reel for one. I think I did a Yuffie vacuum, and I'll do 60-second integrations.

18:01But the reason why I mention it is, it's unfortunate, because a lot of creators, especially smart home-focused creators, I think depend on robot vacuum sponsorships for their business. And you could argue, well, that's not a good business, or they shouldn't do that. But the fact remains, it has been a regular source of income. It was for me in the years before I went independent, because they were like, every year, Dreamy would come and be like, hey, you want another vacuum, and we'll sponsor a video? It's like, well, yeah, because it's the most I can make in a sponsorship. And so that is a shame.

18:31And I know the FCC is not even thinking or caring about that. But it is a knock-on effect from a ban like this. And it's unfortunate for those creators. Hopefully, maybe some of these companies will get passes. It's unclear what that process would be for a company like Ecovacs or Dreamy, or what they can do to actually get allowed back into the United States if they're not going to manufacture here. So we'll see. But that has been this segment. Yeah, no offense. I don't think anyone needs to care about that last part. Like, I don't think someone will not get paid to promote it.

19:02It has anything to do with it, because we don't have to get that far. Like, this is how you say you're going to do a thing without actually having to do a thing, like, without thinking through what it means. Because all of the... How many robot vacuums are already here? And we don't care about any of them. I got three in my house right now. You cannot make the argument that there's a security risk if you're not going to deal with the fact that... If it was a security risk, it's done. We're over. Like, we've already been invaded. They're already here. The robots are here, guys. They are here. It is too late. There's nothing we can do.

19:33You can cut off the supply of more robots, but I think, statistically, there are more than enough robots in America to do whatever the robots are going to do. Like, also, no one... There's, like, no offense, but, like, there's no way these companies are going to be able to afford to pay creators to promote them if they have to build them in the U.S. There's a reason... Did you read Apple in China? There's a reason this stuff is all built in China, so that we can buy it at the price that Americans are willing to pay. Yeah. And it is one of the benefits that these companies get from manufacturing there is they get money

20:05from, like, the Chinese government because the Chinese government wants Chinese companies to succeed, and that's why a company like Dreamy seemingly came out of nowhere and in a span of three years now has an entire smart home ecosystem. Like, I was at their booth at CES, and they have, like, smart locks to refrigerators to hair dryers to all the vacuums. And it's, like, they can do that because they get funding from China, like, proper. And, yeah, it's also, like, good products. Like, I use their products. I have a Dreamy vacuum here.

20:35I have a Eufy one. And, again, if there is an actual security problem, sure, let's investigate that, but that's not what this is. And so... The only experience I think I have with any of these, wasn't it the Dreamy booth where the little robotic leaf blower sort of chasing us around the floor? That wasn't Dreamy, but we almost got killed by a robot lawnmower. Very scary-looking leaf blower. Very close. Very close. I mean, it's kind of, like, churning blades, and it started moving towards us. I don't like that. That was in our live from the show floor episode. I can't wait for the robotic chainsaw.

21:06It just trims your bushes for you. Have you ever seen the fail videos when someone's, like, up a tree, cutting it with a chainsaw, and cut it the wrong way, and, like, the branch, like, almost knocks them off the tree? I don't watch that stuff. Are you kidding? Harrowing. I don't intentionally watch it, but it's usually in, like, a Fail Army compilation, and, you know, sometimes we find ourselves watching that. It just happens to be on, as you do. Okay. Friend. We actually had Adam Lissagore on the show over a year ago, maybe even two years ago, because he did the launch video for the Friend AI pendant, which had a particular response

21:42we'll talk about. But Friend has released version two of the pendant. They said, this Virch subhead is so good. Everyone hated it, so Friend is making it even more expensive. The first Friend was $130. If you didn't know, it was a pendant you wear around your neck. It had a microphone, so it always heard what you said, but it couldn't talk back. So to communicate, it would just send notifications through the Friend app on your phone. And that was the interaction you could have with a Friend pendant, which was, you know, pretty, with all the voice assistants now, it's like, well, that seems like a pretty obscure

22:14way to interact with it. And now they have a version two. It's $250. And the big new feature is they put a speaker in it so it could talk back to you. So now you can wear a pendant, an AI necklace that listens to everything you say and talks back and is your friend. And I will remind everyone that nine months ago, there was actually a protest in New York City against the Friend bracelet because ads started going up in the subways and people started getting really mad. And there was this protest that happened in New York City.

22:45And Avi Schiffman, the CEO and founder of the Friend pendant necklace, actually went to the protest, took pictures. And I don't know, seems like a weird thing to do as, I don't know. So anyway, yeah, that's out there. And I just think it's very funny. And I, the reason why I wanted to bring it up is like sometimes to know your limits on a thing, you kind of have to go past the limit. And when it comes to like AI and chatbots, there's a lot of gray area of like, what do

23:18we want these things to do? What are they good at? And it seemed pretty clear that the Friend pendant helped to draw the outer border of like, oh, we don't want that. That's definitely something we do not want, which is a necklace always listening to me and trying to be my friend. That's the only purpose. It's not like giving you answers for what is a black hole. It is just telling you things that a friend, quote unquote, friend would. And it seems like the response from the protest in New York to, I think no one bought the first one that that in the world of AI, that was something where people were like, yep, that's

23:52the limit. We don't want that. Let's go back. So, I mean, Steven, I've been married for like 19 years. I love my wife. I don't even want her listening to me all day long and then repeating things back to me about you feel sad. You seem like you seem like you should go for a walk. Like, and I love, like, I'm again, this is no shade against my wife. I'm just simply saying I wouldn't want a person doing this. So if I wouldn't want a person doing it, I don't want some random device that I'm wearing to do it. This feels like the kind of thing where, you know, someone sees a behavior that humans

24:27are exhibiting, which is people are telling all their deep, dark secrets to chat GPT, typing them in there or whatever. So maybe there's a different way we could do that, but they completely misunderstood all of the dynamics involved in the behavior that they're observing, which is you can chat with your phone, like type things into chat GPT on your phone or on your computer and you're completely alone and it's super self-initiated, right? You started the conversation, you put the information in there when you wanted and you got a response back. And yes, there are people who have very long drawn out conversations with chat GPT about

24:58all sorts of things. And I just think like, what is it that Eli calls it? The software brain? Like when you see behaviors, you just assume, oh, well, software can solve this in a different way. And it's like, you missed the whole human part of this, right? You missed all of the reasons why the current way people are doing it is actually the ideal way for them to do it because it avoids the fact that you have to record them all of the time. Yeah. Yeah. And people don't want that. I don't want that. So anyway, friend pendant two is out there.

25:28Don't recommend buying it, but it's out there. So OpenAI had a response to the Apple lawsuit, which we covered it two weeks ago. But, you know, Apple is suing OpenAI over trade secrets and former Apple employees bringing stuff to interviews at OpenAI. Well, OpenAI posted a response. It is a blog post on the website. And the title is Apple is getting this wrong. And there's actually a really long screenshot of iMessage conversation from the former Apple employees and what they were asked to do.

25:59And OpenAI is trying to prove that they didn't do trade secrets or something. But one, it seems like not petty, but it seems odd to like write a whole blog post on this when this is actually a legal court case that Apple is going after them in court, like to do this thing. And I don't know if there's actually been an official legal response yet from OpenAI. So instead, they just posted a blog. I don't know. It just seems odd. It seems odd to me. Well, it seems odd in a couple different ways. One, I read the blog post and I read through the entire messages thing, which the thing

26:36about posting receipts is if you post receipts and you redact a bunch of stuff, then it's like, okay, well, this isn't actually a receipt. You didn't just take a picture of the receipt and post it. You took a picture of the receipt, you put it into Photoshop. So how do I know? Like, fine, there's that piece of it. But also, I have absolutely no frigging idea what this thread is saying. I don't either. It makes no sense. And I don't understand how it's helpful to OpenAI. It's like people were asking people, I don't know who these people are. Maybe the new Chang, it says.

27:07I don't even understand. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It's like, what is this even doing? So it's sort of like you got accused of lifting some stuff from work or whatever. And so you posted a thread about you and your wife planning a vacation. Like, see? Like, I don't understand. Like, what is this even supposed to be showing? So I made it halfway through this conversation. I was like, I don't know what this is saying. It does actually feel like the parts you redacted were super important for me to understand what's actually happening right here. Right. Like, some of the redacted items, which it just has in square brackets, like, redacted

27:40Apple information. It's like, well, that could be really important, right? But it's also like, without some explanation, it says, messages between Chang Liu and Apple employees. So what you're saying is that this is multiple threads of chats? Or is this a group chat? Because there's no identifying anything throughout this whole thing, which is not the way messages work. So this is clearly just a Photoshopped thing that you made. Now, maybe it's representative of words that were actually typed back and forth, but this is not a receipt. So it's like, not very helpful.

28:12Also, you mentioned, yes, this is a lawsuit, which is a court thing. But the only reason Apple filed this lawsuit, as we talked about before, was for it to be very public. It was written for public consumption. Everything about the way Apple wrote its lawsuit was meant to be read and reported on, which is why OpenAI is responding this way. This is, they want this fight. Well, I don't know that OpenAI wants this fight, but the people who are making the decisions about how to fight this want this fight being done in public. I would just like to do a dramatic reading of three messages.

28:46And this is from the screenshot on OpenAI's blog. This is what it says. It says, redacted Apple information, make a redacted Apple information because of that redacted Apple information ramp time. Next message. Redacted Apple information, this in March, will redacted Apple information prototype build but too late for redacted Apple information. What? What is that supposed to tell us? It seems like you hate a lot of stuff. That's what I get from that. I don't even know what it means. Like, awesome. I was thinking, what? Yeah, like the next message, it says redacted Apple information one, two, three, four, five,

29:19six times. It's like, and then I think we are aligned. Smiley face emoji. If anything, it reveals how weird some of these tech people in Silicon Valley communicate. Like some of these messages back and forth, if real, which again, like you obviously have to doctor this screenshot up a lot because that's a lot of redacted Apple information that you put on all these messages. I am just less likely inclined to believe how real this is anyway because, I don't know, you adjust to that stuff. That feels weird. I don't know. We'll see.

29:49We still have to see what comes from that lawsuit. But just another point about OpenAI and weirdness before we get to the Google Fitbit. He tweeted this on X and I don't know, if you don't know how you feel about Sam Altman, maybe this might be a point of information. He just tweets this randomly at noon in the middle of the day. Cool use of ChatGPT work I heard last night. Connect your family calendars and explain your kids' interests. Then every morning for the drive to school, have it make a podcast that talks about one kid's soccer game that afternoon, one kid's upcoming birthday, some news, etc.

30:25So have ChatGPT make up stories about events that are happening in the future in the car ride with your kids, which you're a parent, Jason. I think you know, and parents out there, car time and talking is some of the most valuable time you have with your kids, especially as they get older. I think that's a terrible idea to just generate a podcast and listen to that. Yeah, I was wrong earlier when I talked about the meta browser disclosure thing being the most dystopian thing I've heard in a long time. This is actually definitely the most dystopian thing. And this is the most software brain anything has ever been.

30:57Because, I mean, I think Sam Allman has a child. We saw the photos that he posted in defense of the people who are doxing him or whatever, which was a bad idea. But this is even worse. So I can imagine at that stage of parenting, you just you can imagine all the ways that this technology in the future will enhance your life. This is just not one of those ways, right? First of all, yes, car time with your children is extremely valuable. Yeah. It's also can be excruciating. And if I told my children that the thing we were going to do on the way to soccer practice

31:27is listen to a podcast I generated with ChadGPT about all of the things that they are doing today, they would literally jump out of a moving car, Stephen. One of the replies under Sam Allman's tweet, someone says as if they were the kid talking. Yeah, my dad AI generates podcasts about my upcoming birthday instead of talking to me while we drive to school. But not something I would want my kids to say. Right. Anyway, that is, yeah. His Twitter bio is still AI is cool, I guess. I don't know that dude. I'm not sure. Maybe the friend AI pinned in is for him.

32:00Other. Oh, let's talk about Fitbit because you put this article in here and it was interesting because when the Fitbit Air came out, which is a Google product now, everyone was railing about how the app experience was bad. And that's what made the Google Fitbit Air maybe a bad experience. But now it just integrates with Apple Health. Yeah, that seemed like news. I will be honest. I didn't I don't have a Fitbit. I didn't dig into this, but that does seem like a big deal because it is one of the things that people have complained about. It's like you have all these different ecosystems and you have to be in like to multiple ones. Like we have the Google Smart Hub thing and it will like tell you your sleep patterns or

32:35something like that. But you have to use the Google Health app for that. You got to use the Apple Health for this. Yesterday, Beth was asking me, my wife, she's like something about where do I get my sleep score from? Because she started wearing her watch to sleep. Well, what she meant was sleep plus plus what she has on her phone and her watch. I just had to point her to it. But I was like, you go to the health app and it's like, yeah, there's a section for sleep. Yeah, you can find some things. It's not great. But this is at least one good step in a positive direction where whatever wearable you're wearing. It'd be nice if Whoop would do this, but they won't because they want you to pay for the

33:06subscription. See, and so Lexi Savides, who was guest host two weeks ago, she did a great video on the Google Fitbit Air and said in the video that the app experience was one of the worst things about it. And so, again, it seems like this is a positive move. I also want to mention, you know, I sometimes post things on social media of like a product that I'm trying. And I will say sometimes like, yeah, I think I'm going to do a video on this or a video soon. And I just want everybody to know, if you see me post something like that on social media, and then I never make a video about it, it's because either it was bad or I didn't

33:41like it. And to make a video about how something was bad and I didn't like it, like that is a thing you can do. And maybe it gets views, but I choose not to do that. And one of the things that happened with recently was the Oura Ring 5. It came out. I thought about talking about it in personal tech, but it's, I think, just a short segment I could just mention here, because it was fine, but it didn't offer any value over my Apple Watch to me. And it is a subscription you have to pay for if you want all the data. And maybe if you're like really wanting to track a bunch of things in relation to your

34:16fitness and all that stuff, maybe it would be good. But I also read the article that, again, Lexi pointed me to from the Wall Street Journal about, and I put it in the show notes last week, I think, or two weeks ago when she was on the show, of the person who tested scientifically all the Fitbit tracker, all the fitness trackers did like a sleep study at a sleep facility, compared it to the data she got from the devices. It turns out the Apple Watch is actually one of the best and most accurate devices of all of them, especially when it comes to heart rate and all of that stuff.

34:46So I was like, well, I'm wearing probably the most accurate device. I don't need a second device. And so I returned it. And I stopped paying the subscription because I don't need it. And also, side note, I was wearing it on my right-hand pointer, and whenever I would hold my phone, I would feel the ring rub against the side of my iPhone, which doesn't have a case. And I was like, you know what? For that reason alone, I think I don't want it. And some, you know, if you wore it as a wedding band, maybe that would be so you don't have to, you know, wear two rings.

35:17But that also feels like, I don't know if I want to wear that as my wedding band. So fair, I'm going to do something real quick. I'm going to ask Claude Cowork to make me a list of the worst products as defined by things Steven Robles talked about in an Instagram reel, but never made a YouTube video. No, no, no. It's a threads post, but no video. Because what I'll do is I'll post a picture of a thing that I got, and I'm excited to try. And then if you never hear me talk about it again, it's because it was mediocre, bad,

35:47or I didn't care for it. Okay. Based on. Well, I'll give you one other example. Just if people were wondering, I saw every, I saw a lot of creators on Instagram, get these headphones from a new audio brand called Daisy. They're in San Francisco. It's a new audio brand. The headphones looked really cool. I kept seeing people talk about them in Instagram reels. And I reached out to the company. I was like, Hey, can I get a review unit? Because I'd like to try them. I review a lot of headphones. And they were like, yeah, again, I don't know what any deal other people made, but I'll

36:21just say, they told me, well, we want to do dedicated reviews for in exchange for the product. Are you willing to do a dedicated video? And I was like, I'm not guaranteeing that. So no, I'm not going to do that. And they're like, okay, well, no. Okay. So I just bought them and wanted to try them. And they were interesting hardware. They looked cool. Their little digital take on the digital crown was kind of fun, but they didn't sound incredible. Like AirPods Max are better. Sonos Ace are better.

36:51The noise canceling was fine, but it wasn't better. Like the biggest selling feature was they looked cool. They came in a fun blue and it was an interesting design. And it's like, well, that's not a whole YouTube video. And also like, I will just say that AirPods Max are better a lot of times in the video. So I'm not going to do that video. So I didn't make it. So I posted about it. I didn't talk about it. Like I didn't make the video. And that was just another example. Well, Claude Cowork is working on it right now. I'd love to know what it comes up with. It just said fetchingthreads.com slash at Stephen Robles. Checking youtube.com slash at beard.fm slash videos.

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40:28all one word for 20% off at clnmy.com slash PRIMARYTECH. The link is in the show notes with the promo code PRIMARYTECH for 20% off at cleanmy.com slash PRIMARYTECH. Now, thanks to CleanMyMac for sponsoring this episode. All right, what did it find, Jason? Oh, it's still working. It says, using Claude in Chrome. It opened a tab, I see a browser tab up here. Oh, my goodness. With your threads profile. It's been working for four minutes and 40 seconds. Okay, well, as that works, let's do some other AI news. Yeah. Because Google DeepMind had some shakeups here.

41:01So Dennis Asabas, which was the, we're at the foothills of the Singularity. He apparently is taking his walk through the foothills and out. No, just kidding. He's headed up the mountain, Stephen. He's headed up the mountain. So he is going from, he's going to become the chair of Google DeepMind and the chief scientist at Alphabet. And CEO Sundar Pichai announced this on one day. He will continue to lead Alphabet's isomorphic labs, which aims to use AI to develop drugs. And then Corey, I don't know if I should try to pronounce this last name.

41:34I feel like it was Corey K, formerly DeepMind CTO, is stepping up to become Google's SVP of DeepMind and will report to Sundar Pichai. So, yeah, Dennis Asabas, he's heading. So this is up. You feel like this is going up for him? I mean, I don't actually know what this means, Stephen. Honestly, true. It's a shakeup. It is a shakeup, but I don't really understand why. Like, I don't know what it means because the person who will, he's going to be the chairman.

42:04Yeah. We're chief scientist. Well, okay. That's separate though. That's chief scientist of Alphabet. He's going to be the chair of Google DeepMind, which makes it sound like he's the boss. Kind of, yeah. Okay. But this other person who was formerly DeepMind CTO is going to be Google's SVP of DeepMind, but will report not to Demis Asabas, but to Sundar Pichai. So this, I don't know, is this like a Phil Schiller is going to be elevated to the roof sort of thing?

42:35Right. And none of the people, you know, Greg Joswiak doesn't report to Phil Schiller. He reports to Tim Cook and then John Turner. Like, I don't understand. Is it that kind of thing? Or is this like something? Because for all intents and purposes, like, I don't think Demis Asabas was in a bad situation. Like, I don't think people are pushing him out. No. And he was like in the Google I.O. keynote just a couple months ago. Yeah. I mean, he was like just dwelling in those foothills. Like, he closed the keynote. Singularity is everywhere. So I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he just needs room for really big ideas and foothills and singularities.

43:08I don't know. So anyway, that was Google Shake-Up. But I wanted to mention that in also connected to a Google AI faux pas, a misstep, I will say, which is that Google Earth AI, they had rolled out a feature that would allow people to generate AI imagery or change satellite imagery of Google Maps using AI and apparently thought, what could possibly go wrong?

43:38This is so bad. Guess what? It's really bad because Google satellite imagery, Google Maps satellite imagery, probably one of the most used sources of information for people, either just for the images or research or whatever, and to let people create and generate AI stuff to make it look like the maps are doing things they're not. For instance, here's an Apple News article with new ads here. Okay. I'm going to install a chairlift in my house, apparently. Things like the Washington Monument with a big crater next to it.

44:11Like someone generated that using this, it was Google's feature, Google AI feature and Google Earth. They generated a big old crater next to Washington Monument. And you could, again, this is the kind of stuff you see on social media and you have to be like, wait a minute. Did that happen? Like, were we hit by a meteor or something? Another example, a bunch of tanks rolling across the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. That was created with this AI imagery. Like, bad idea. Not something you want spreading online. Also images of things like riots in Mexico City's Zocalo.

44:43Bad, like, this is a terrible idea. Google rolled back this feature, you can't do it anymore. But, like, I wish I could have been in the board meeting to say, who said, like, yes, we should let people do that. That's a great idea. Because somebody had to approve it. Like, I don't know. Well, I mean, at Google, the thing is, like, the ability to approve sort of this sort of thing feels like it happens at a level. Because this is not the first time Google has had a major faux pas when it comes to image generation, restrictions, or permissions when it comes to its AI stuff, right?

45:19And, I mean, this is the one where it literally wouldn't create an accurate photo of the founding fathers. Yes. Okay. That's right. I'm just saying, like, Google, it seems like maybe things are a little bit too loosey-goosey, fly-by-the-seat-of-pants over there. Like, no one is thinking, what could be the downstream effects of whatever thing we're about to do? And what they're trying to do is saying, like, we just need to create more reasons for people to be using Google Maps. Look, I'm an Apple Maps fan.

45:50Like, I prefer Apple Maps. That's what I use. But doesn't basically the entire world use Google Maps? Like, aren't they fine? I would think they would be fine. I don't know why they had to release this feature.